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	<title>Comments on: The unreasonable effectiveness of fake controversies</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#187; Hello World! LISyS</title>
		<link>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-30041</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Hello World! LISyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-30041</guid>
		<description>[...] μόλις άρχισε (δείτε π.χ. τα postings του Stefano Mazzocchi και του Frank van Harmelen) και αναμένεται [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] μόλις άρχισε (δείτε π.χ. τα postings του Stefano Mazzocchi και του Frank van Harmelen) και αναμένεται [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Semantik Web Öldü mü? (Hayır, sadece garip kokuyor) &#124; FZ Blogs</title>
		<link>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-15301</link>
		<dc:creator>Semantik Web Öldü mü? (Hayır, sadece garip kokuyor) &#124; FZ Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-15301</guid>
		<description>[...] bir bakış açısını çok güzel özetliyor. Konu ile ilgili birkaç kritik saptama da şu blog girdisinde ve yorumlarında yer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] bir bakış açısını çok güzel özetliyor. Konu ile ilgili birkaç kritik saptama da şu blog girdisinde ve yorumlarında yer [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Google &#171; O&#8217;Really?</title>
		<link>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-14151</link>
		<dc:creator>The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Google &#171; O&#8217;Really?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-14151</guid>
		<description>[...] van Harmelen (2009) The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Fake Controversies LarKC [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] van Harmelen (2009) The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Fake Controversies LarKC [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Arjen P. de Vries</title>
		<link>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-9101</link>
		<dc:creator>Arjen P. de Vries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-9101</guid>
		<description>Still wonder how the same paper can trigger such diverse reactions! I re-read it last night, and I still like it. 

For a position paper, it seems fine to me to put things a little provocative; and, the quote from the TBL SemWeb paper ("without needing artificial intelligence") is correct, isn't it?!

They appropriately distinguish between the syntax &#38; tools of the SW, and the next step of semantic interpretation, and just raise a question how much the additional syntax obtained (syntax that hints at semantics) would help data analysis in comparison to not having that syntax. (At least, that is how I interpret it.)  I think that is a valid question, and yet to be answered.

Greetings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still wonder how the same paper can trigger such diverse reactions! I re-read it last night, and I still like it. </p>
<p>For a position paper, it seems fine to me to put things a little provocative; and, the quote from the TBL SemWeb paper (&#8221;without needing artificial intelligence&#8221;) is correct, isn&#8217;t it?!</p>
<p>They appropriately distinguish between the syntax &amp; tools of the SW, and the next step of semantic interpretation, and just raise a question how much the additional syntax obtained (syntax that hints at semantics) would help data analysis in comparison to not having that syntax. (At least, that is how I interpret it.)  I think that is a valid question, and yet to be answered.</p>
<p>Greetings</p>
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		<title>By: Andraz Tori</title>
		<link>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-8851</link>
		<dc:creator>Andraz Tori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-8851</guid>
		<description>Hmmm,

I think the critique is at least partly valid. Most vocal proponents of semantic web are not doing much to apply really interesting (statistical) methods to it.

And wast majority of (government) research resources go into structured approaches, even though they are hitting into the wall all the time. 

People involved in LOD are great guys. But I think LOD has yet to deliver in terms of real utility. Can you name companies doing useful stuff with statistical methods over LOD?

So the challenge is the following: the data is out there (thanks to enormous efforts of semweb proponents). now we need to create really useful services on top of it and there's not enough of effort applied at the moment.

bye
Andraz Tori, Zemanta</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm,</p>
<p>I think the critique is at least partly valid. Most vocal proponents of semantic web are not doing much to apply really interesting (statistical) methods to it.</p>
<p>And wast majority of (government) research resources go into structured approaches, even though they are hitting into the wall all the time. </p>
<p>People involved in LOD are great guys. But I think LOD has yet to deliver in terms of real utility. Can you name companies doing useful stuff with statistical methods over LOD?</p>
<p>So the challenge is the following: the data is out there (thanks to enormous efforts of semweb proponents). now we need to create really useful services on top of it and there&#8217;s not enough of effort applied at the moment.</p>
<p>bye<br />
Andraz Tori, Zemanta</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Herman</title>
		<link>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-8791</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.larkc.eu/?p=1331#comment-8791</guid>
		<description>Amen indeed. 

There is another fallacy in the paper, and a well known one, namely equating the Semantic Web with (indeed, possibly expensive) ontologies. If I use Calais or Zemanta that will add URI-s as tags drawn from DBPedia (or similar) I do Semantic Web, and I do not necessarily use complex ontologies. Ontologies are for the Semantic Web (when needed), but the Semantic Web is not for ontologies:-)

I can fully understand that Google wants to exploit the formidable amount of data they harvest, and that therefore statistical approaches play an important role in their research activities. No problem with that. But generalizations and, primarily, unnecessary controversies is not what the Web community at large needs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen indeed. </p>
<p>There is another fallacy in the paper, and a well known one, namely equating the Semantic Web with (indeed, possibly expensive) ontologies. If I use Calais or Zemanta that will add URI-s as tags drawn from DBPedia (or similar) I do Semantic Web, and I do not necessarily use complex ontologies. Ontologies are for the Semantic Web (when needed), but the Semantic Web is not for ontologies:-)</p>
<p>I can fully understand that Google wants to exploit the formidable amount of data they harvest, and that therefore statistical approaches play an important role in their research activities. No problem with that. But generalizations and, primarily, unnecessary controversies is not what the Web community at large needs&#8230;</p>
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